Curse

Corran Horn · Dec 12, 2006, 11:20 AM // 11:20

1. Change your secondary to Rt.

2. Go to a town with a skill trainer.

3. Talk to the trainer and purchase any rit skills you like.

4. Take a cap sig and kill a Rt boss.

Or you could just unlock them with another characters Hero Skill Points. Or do you only play the game with one character? Hint: Don't unlock skills with Hero Points taht you already have unlocked.

Gordon Ecker · Dec 12, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Farming 2000 Balthazar faction in the Training Arenas or against an easily countered Zaishen Challenge team is a lot quicker than farming 2 platinum or 2 skill points. If you start now you should have all the Nightfall Ritualist skills unlocked by the end of the month. Don't bother with Warmonger's Weapon, Wielder's Strike, Sight Beyond Sight or Wielder's Boon since Razah already has those skills when you recruit him. Unfortunately it would be a lot more tedious unlocking the Factions skills.

Iuris · Dec 12, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Wait a second, I'm getting a bit confused.

Someone capable of either
-buying 4 DoA gems (hundreds of thousands gold, IIRC) or
-getting through each zone of DoA
AND
-fight his way to Razah

can't be bothered to switch his secondary to ritualist, see a few trainers and pay up to 8000 gold to buy 8 skills needed to make Razah whatever you want? I don't get it.

electrofish · Dec 12, 2006, 12:23 PM // 12:23

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Wait a second, I'm getting a bit confused.

Someone capable of either
-buying 4 DoA gems (hundreds of thousands gold, IIRC) or
-getting through each zone of DoA
AND
-fight his way to Razah

can't be bothered to switch his secondary to ritualist, see a few trainers and pay up to 8000 gold to buy 8 skills needed to make Razah whatever you want? I don't get it.

Well unless you've bought Factions then you're screwed, since buying only proph or nf will not grant you the access to Ritualist secondary... unless through pvp ofcourse, which hard core pveers don't seem to do.

kazjun · Dec 12, 2006, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Correct me if I'm wrong, but changing secondaries has nothing to do with pvp, unles those 'hard core pveers' can't bear to dirty their dainty little toes by setting foot in the temple of Balthazar. The profession changer is just sitting right there in the temple, no actual pvp needed. Only costs 500g, if you can't spare that by the time you finish nightfall I got to ask what you been throwing cash at. And skills, even without Factions you can get about 25 skills right? Surely you can work something out of that. And you can get 2k balth faction a day from the zaishen challenges, which are really just pve anyway.

Mr_T_bot · Dec 12, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by generik

That is why some people in NCSoft spent 3 years of their worthless lives getting a degree in marketing...

Oddly, they really suck at marketing.

There is no requirement of having Factions to get Razah. Arena Net completely stops supporting previous chapters when they make a new one - there is no reason to buy a previous chapter. So the majority of people are stuck with and will be stuck with just Nightfall skills for Razah, if they get him. That makes Razah an disproportionately hard hero to gain.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but changing secondaries has nothing to do with pvp, unles those 'hard core pveers' can't bear to dirty their dainty little toes by setting foot in the temple of Balthazar. The profession changer is just sitting right there in the temple, no actual pvp needed. Only costs 500g, if you can't spare that by the time you finish nightfall I got to ask what you been throwing cash at. And skills, even without Factions you can get about 25 skills right? Surely you can work something out of that. And you can get 2k balth faction a day from the zaishen challenges, which are really just pve anyway.

You're wrong. It doesn't matter where you go, if you can't change your profession to Ritualist in one place, you can't do it in another, seems pretty bloody obvious but leave it to a condescending PvPer to not get it.

Ninna · Dec 12, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

if you can't change your profession to Ritualist in one place, you can't do it in another, seems pretty bloody obvious but leave it to a condescending PvPer to not get it.

assuming you only own Nightfall

most GW players *do* own Factions

even more GW players, who do the Razah quest, already own all 3 chapters

freekedoutfish · Dec 12, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

There is no corelation between sunspear/lightbringer ranks and and skill points.

Skill points are aquired on lvl 20 toons by acheiving a certain amount of XP , that amount is now 15,000 XP reduced from 20,000 XP last year. You also can get skill points as quest rewards..

The number of skill points one can achieve is unlimited, there is no cap on skill points.

Then pretend he doesn't exist and play the parts of the game you find fulfilling. GW is fun, not a job. Don't force yoursself to play.

I think you missed my entire point slightly.

You get Razah at the end, what quests are you talking about doing to gain more skill-points?

This is my entire point.

Lets say you spent all your existings hero points before Razah was released or without thinking, then this new Hero comes along and your thinking "damn, now what."

Your stuffed basically. There are NO quests to attain skill-points on.

And I was pretty sure your Heroes gained skill-points as you increased rank in sunspear or lightbringer. I may have been wrong. But even if I was right, you cant do that either.

The only resort left for PVE people (who dont like PvP and dont want to be forced to play PvP to unlock skills) is to either buy Rit as a secondary and use up our money and points to buy them skills, or make a whole new character.

Personally I dont want to play PvP, and I dont want to play as a Ritualist because I dont enjoy it. So why would I play through the whole of factions just to unlock all the skills, and why would I play through PvP which I dont enjoy.

Ninna · Dec 12, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Heros do not earn skill points

your character earns 2 hero points for every rank of Sunspear/Lightbringer

if you run out of Hero points (due to being max rank in both), your only option is to use a different character,who has not been to Nightfall yet, to get more Hero points

regardless,
Hero skill points open only Nightfall Ritualist skills
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Skills_...28Nightfall%29

Ninna · Dec 12, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Personally I dont want to play PvP, and I dont want to play as a Ritualist because I dont enjoy it. So why would I play through the whole of factions just to unlock all the skills, and why would I play through PvP which I dont enjoy.

you can say the same about every class in game ...

I dont want to play a Warrior to unlock Warrior skills, etc

freekedoutfish · Dec 12, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Ninna

you can say the same about every class in game ...

I dont want to play a Warrior to unlock Warrior skills, etc

Does no one read anything. FGS!!

Im on about Razah, not the other Heroes. I have no issues about getting skills for the other Heroes because YOU GET THEM AT THE START OF THE GAME, OR HALF WAY THROUGH. So you have more then enough time left to earn more hero skill points to unlock their skills.

You DONT NEED to play as a warrior to unlock Koss's skills because you can UNLOCK them with the ample supply of hero-skills your given.

The POINT (if anyone read this properly) im trying to make is that by the time you get Razah, you might not have any Hero-Skill-points left, or very few.

So how the hell are you meant to unlock his nightfall Rit skills?

There are no more quests to give them away.

Increasing in sunspear rank is impossible at this time.

Increasing in lightbringer rank would take forever and by this time, most only have 4 ranks left.

There are no missions to give them away.

This is the point; If you have no Hero-skill-points, or very few left then you cant unlock his skills in an acceptable way.

I say acceptable, because not fair to expect us to use OUR gold and OUR personal skill-points to unlock Rit as a secondary and then purchase those skills.

Gold we may need and skill-points we need.

Its unnacceptable because we didnt need to do that with the Heroes which we get at the start or half way through. Because we had enough Hero skill points left. It didnt cost us to unlock their skills.

And its not acceptable for Anet to expect us to just jump into PvP and unlock them for a PvE Hero (if thats even possible). Not everyone likes PvP. I personally find even a few minutes of it boring and tedious.

And its not acceptable to ask us to create a whole new Ritualist character, and to play through an entire campaign to get Rit faction Skills for him to use.

We dont all want to play as a Rit, so why would we? why should we?

Are you understanding?

Is it really too much to ask that either;

We're given enough Hero skill points to unlock all the Nightfall Rit skills when we get Razah or we're given him with a full set of Nightfall Rit normal and elite skills?

Because otherwise he is utterly useless and expensive to use for pure PvE'rs.

And for those who dont own or want to own factions, this is even less possible to do. They dont have the option to play as a Rit and earn those skills in either PvE or PvP. So how can they use Razah?

Ninna · Dec 12, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I have no issues about getting skills for the other Heroes because YOU GET THEM AT THE START OF THE GAME, OR HALF WAY THROUGH

you are incorrect

some people may *not* have a mesmer or ranger or necro hero until they *finish the game*
(depending on their quest choices)

not getting a mesmer hero (because you have Goren) until you finish the game is the same "lack of hero points problem" as Razah

"hero skill trainer" skills are independent of your existing profession or existing heroes
ie. you dont need to own a mesmer hero, to train mesmer hero skills

lyra_song · Dec 12, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

I guess Razah is just a Vanity Hero then.

Tagon · Dec 12, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

The probelm I have with your rant is on one character you get what maybe 20ish hero skill points. So to make a good build you will still end up spending your own skill points and gold to get skills to make a good build for all you heros.. If you don't want to PVP. I think the fact that Razah is a rit is odd and a disappointment, but this whole hero points thing rant is a little silly

Sir Skullcrasher · Dec 12, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

you dont need to beat it to unlock him.

I thought you have to beat the game to unlock DoA where you can get him?

EternalTempest · Dec 12, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

I thought you have to beat the game to unlock DoA where you can get him?

Only other way is PvP Faction points. But not accessible via your pve character. If you want him unlocked for pve.. you have to beat the game then do DOA.

freekedoutfish · Dec 13, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Ninna

you are incorrect

some people may *not* have a mesmer or ranger or necro hero until they *finish the game*
(depending on their quest choices)

not getting a mesmer hero (because you have Goren) until you finish the game is the same "lack of hero points problem" as Razah

"hero skill trainer" skills are independent of your existing profession or existing heroes
ie. you dont need to own a mesmer hero, to train mesmer hero skills

Thats true, except that once you gain the other heroes, you can still go do missions with them and other quests. They provide the chance to gain maybe a tiny few more skill-points for them.

Razah is just utterly useless as you get him at the VERY end.

So any chances for quests or missions are all gone to use him in, or to perhaps gain more skill-points for him.

Thats my entire point.

If they dont provide him with enough skill points to unlock all his skills, or give him with them all, then they need to add more quests or a way to gain more hero skill points.

TomD22 · Dec 14, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

If you're a pve-centric person...then surely you have the money to buy Rajah skills? After all, what is there to do in pve once you finish the game but farm/chestrun/beat bosses for greens?

And if you're a pvp-centric person...well obviously you can just use balth's faction. Since the faction cap increases and rate increases, I think it's fair to say anyone who's a PvPer is at UAS by now.

HzzB · Dec 14, 2006, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by TMWNN

Personally I think it more frustrating that heros have access to all your accounts unlocked skills, but pve chars require each skill to be unlocked per char. To this day I find that insanely frustrating.

It is not correct. All skills for heroes are unlocked per account basis. Any style of unlocking works good PvP or PvE. So, if you ever had Rt, you have unlocked skills for hero.

If you have multiple characters, all gold goes to skills. LOL
BTW, all Nightfall Rt and Sin skills (not elite) are available at every skill trainer here. Caening City trainer has most of Faction skills.

Swinging Fists · Dec 14, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08

freekedoutfish:

Heroes don't have their own skill points. Each of your PvE characters earns "hero skill points" as he gains ranks in LB and SS title lines. These can be used to unlock skills from hero skill trainers no matter what profession they are or what heroes you currently have. That means, when you spend your hero skill points, you can use them to unlock Rit skills, which Razah can use (or any other heroes with a Rit secondary if you have Factions) when you get him. I understand you have used all your hero skill points on your character that has or wants to get Razah. OK. Do you have any other characters ? They can rise through the SS and LB ranks as well, unlocking Rit skills at hero skill trainers just the same. It doesn't matter which PvE character unlocks them from the hero skill trainer, all heroes on your account can use them. So, perhaps, that is your solution - a different PvE character with hero skill points available.

BTW, Shadowspawn X completely missed the point and was explaining regular skill points, not hero skill points.